Sports betting line movement: Why & how

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What is a line movement?

When the line (spread) moves in one direction or the other, that's a line movement. Lines move often in sports betting. It is a rare line that stays exactly where it was opened by the sportsbooks. Here's an example of a line movement from Super Bowl XLIV:

	OPENING LINE (1/24/10)		TWO DAYS LATER
TEAM	SPREAD	TOTAL	SPREAD	TOTAL
New Orleans	+3.5 (-110)	54.5 (-110)	+5.5 (-110)	56.5 (-110)
Indianapolis	-3.5 (-110)		-5.5 (-110)

As you can see, the Colts opened as a 3.5 point favorite but moved pretty quickly to a 5.5 point favorite. The over/under moved up 2 points from 54.5 to 56.5.

Why did the line move 2 points in each case? Because, from the sportsbooks' perspective, too much money was coming in on one side. In the example above, the vast majority of money was coming in on the Colts at -3.5. So, in order to encourage more bets on the Saints (to even out the action), the oddsmakers moved the line to -4. When that didn't have the desired effect, they moved it -4.5, and then -5 and then -5.5. The same thing happened on the total, as too much money was coming in on the OVER.

What does this mean? It means that if you like the Colts or the OVER, you would have rather bet the game early as you would be laying 3.5 points instead of 5.5 and a total of 54.5 instead of 56.5. if you like the Saints or the UNDER, you'd prefer to have the +5.5 and 56.5.

What causes line movements?

As mentioned above, betting activity moves lines. Oddsmakers initially set a line based on where they think it should be based on their goals. Notice that I did not say that they set the lines based on what they think is the "fair" or "right" line. They set it based on their goals, which can differ game-to-game.

It's true that their goal is often to split betting activity, getting about 50% of the bets on one side and 50% on the other side. This way they can't lose. They simply pay out the winners (minus their 10% juice/vig) and collect from the losers. The vig/juice on the winning bets ensures them a profit. They can't lose.

But, the oddsmakers' goal sometimes is to actually take lopsided action. They sometimes roll the dice, believing the betting public will be on the wrong side and they can score a huge win.

Despite popular belief, bets are rarely split 50/50 on most games. There is quite often very lopsided betting. 

So on any given game, the sportsbooks have high exposure. But, spread over hundreds of games per week, their exposure is relatively limited. The biggest exposure for them, of course, is on the big games in which the betting is so heavy that it dwarfs the betting activity on other events. The most obvious example of this is the Super Bowl. Sportsbooks have massive exposure both positive and negative on this game, given the high number of bets. In Super Bowl XLIV, 65% of the bets were on Indianapolis, meaning that the sportsbooks are likely rooting for the Saints to cover.

Sharps vs. the public

Another question I often get is, who exactly moves the lines - the sharps or the public? The answer is, it depends. On low-profile games, line movements tend to be more driven by the sharps. The percentage of money that sharps place on low-profile games is relatively high, so their bets have a bigger movement effect.

One way you can see this is that you will see a game on which the percentage of bets is very high on team A (say 65%), but the line is moving the opposite direction, indicating heavy betting on team B. Despite only 35% of the actual bets coming in on Team B, the amount of money bet on Team B is higher than Team A. In this case, you can bet the movement is due to a few very large bets placed by sharps. The public is betting small amounts on Team A while the sharps are betting massive amounts on Team B. Some people employ a betting strategy that looks for this kind of game, and they go with the side the sharps are on, assuming they know what they are doing.

In higher profile games, specifically the Super Bowl, the roles reverse. On the Super Bowl, the public money from Joe Square dwarfs that of sharps. So, line movements on the Super Bowl tend to be more driven by the general betting public.

Key numbers and middling

In football in particular, there are key numbers as it relates to the spread. Due to the scoring structure of football, an inordinate number of football games end with a team winning by 3, 7, 9 and 10 points. The most common margin of victory in football games 3 points (about 15% of the time), followed by 7 points (8%). In contrast, only 3% of games end with a 5-point margin of victory.

This is important as it relates to line movement. Oddsmakers try not to move a line too much, and they try extremely hard to avoid moving a line over a key number. Why? Because it exposes them to massive losses by bettors "middling" them.

A middling opportunity arises when a line moves by a large amount, and/or moves over a key number. This opportunity gives the bettor a chance to win two bets, with little risk. The sportsbooks don't like this :). Here's an example:

Team A is favored by 2.5 points over Team B. Bettors think Team A at -2.5 is a bargain so they place a lot of money on Team A. Seeing the wildly uneven action, the oddsmakers realize they set the line wrong and to encourage more bets on Team B, they move the line on Team A to -3. But, the bets keep coming in on Team A. There is not enough action on Team B. If this continues, and Team A covers the spread, the sportsbook stands to lose big. So, they move the line again, to Team A -3.5 . This does the trick as now a bunch of money comes in on Team B. Some of these new bets may actually be placed by the same people who bet Team A at -2.5.

Anyway, in the end, the sportsbook has about an even amount of money on Team A and Team B. They are safe, right? Wrong!

Most of the bets on Team A are at -2.5 while most of the bets on Team B are at +3.5. As luck would have it, Team A wins the game by exactly 3 points, 20-17. What happens to the sportsbook? They lose all the bets on Team A at -2.5 and they lose all the bets on Team B at +3.5. It's an absolute nightmare for them as they lose their shirt. They got middled.

As you can imagine, the sportsbooks look to avoid this at all costs. They rarely let lines cross key numbers (numbers that are more likely to end up as the final margin of victory). And, they try to get the initial line right so they don't have to move it much.

They will also employ another trick to avoid getting middled. Instead of moving a line over a key number, they will often leave the line unchanged, but change the odds required to bet at that line. For example, you will often see this:

Team A opens as an 8.5 point favorite at -110 odds. They get a lot of bets on Team A, but rather than move the line to a 9.5 point favorite (and risk being middled), they will keep them as an 8.5 point favorite but move the odds to, say, -125. So you can still bet Team A at -8.5, but instead of risking $110 to win $100, you have to risk $125 to win $100. That has the desired effect of evening out the bets, without requiring a line movement that would risk a middle.

What to do if a line moves

When I send out picks, I send them out using a "consensus" line at that time. I look at 10 online sportsbooks right before I send, and choose the line that is the most common amongst the 10 sources. My goal is to come as close as possible to the line my clients will actually receive.

But, when going to palce a bet, sometimes you won't be able to find that same line. That can happen for two reasons:

1. The sportsbook you use has a slightly different line. Sportsbooks don't always exactly agree. It's not uncommon to find a 0.5 or even a 1 point difference, simply due to the fact that each sportsbook is different and each is balance their own risk. The best way to combat this is to open multiple accounts so you can line-shop.
2. Some time has lapsed between when the pick was sent out and when you can place the bet. In that time, the line has moved due to betting activity.

In either case, I am often asked what to do. Let's look what could happen with your bet, assuming you bet it using the new, different line:

1. Line moves for you and has no effect on the bet outcome (neutral)
2. Line moves for you and turns a loss into a push (good)
3. Line moves for you and turns a push into a winner (good)
4. Line moves for you and turns a loss into a winner (really good)
5. Line moves against you and it has no effect on the bet outcome (neutral)
6. Line moves against you and turns a winner into a push (bad)
7. Line moves against you and turns a push into a loss (bad)
8. Line moves against you and turns a winner into a loser (really bad)

The first four scenarios above are good. Obviously, if the line moves in your favor (i.e. I tell you to take the Cowboys at +4.5 and you get them at +5), then it's a good situation. Over the long haul, about half of the time the line moves will be like this, in your favor.

But, what if the line moves against you? What if the Cowboys are now +4 or +3.5 or even +3? In that scenario, you are susceptible to the second four scenarios shown above (#5-#8). What should you do then? Good question. Unfortunately there is no one right answer.

In order to have one right answer, we'd need to know which of the four scenarios was most likely. But we don't know the outcome of the game yet, so we can't predict whether the line move against you will have a neutral or negative effect. It's nearly impossible to determine beforehand whether that 1-point move will result in scenario 5, 6, 7 or 8. If we could predict with that level of accuracy (down to 1 point) on a regular basis, we'd all be millionaires, right? But we still have a decision to make.

If we lay off the game, or take our bet size down on it, two things can happen. If the bet wins anyway, we may be upset at ourselves for leaving money on the table. If we reduce our bet or pass and the bet loses, however, then we are happy that we saved ourselves some money.

But since we can't know beforehand which of those two things will happen, then what do we do? We apply some logic and we take into account your personal riskpreferences.

Logic dictates that the more a line moves, the higher a chance it will affect the outcome. If a line moves half-a-point, that's a small move and is quite unlikely to affect the outcome of the bet. If it moves 2.5 points, it's more likely to affect the outcome. And, if it moves on to, off of, or over a key number, then the chances increase even more.

Risk preference simply refers to how you personally feel about taking risks. If you are a natural risk taker, then you may decide to ignore the line move and roll the dice. Sure, you have a worse line, but if our team wins big, it won't matter. So in this case, you could just play it at your normal level and hope for the best.

If, on the other hand, you can't stand the thought of a line movement turning your winner into a loser and you tend to be risk averse, then you might choose to lay off the game, or at least take your bet size down. You may reason, "Hey if it wins, I will win less but that's ok. It's better than the thought of losing this due to that pesky line change."

What about buying points?

Another option is to buy points to get the spread to match the number at which I released the play. Should you do this? The general answer is no. Why? Because the cost of this over time will eat up your profits. I have studied buying points across all sports and based on the math, the only time I recommend considering buying is when buying 1/2 point on or off of 3 in football. This means you could consider buying +2.5 up to +3, or buying -3.5 down to -3. Doing this has been proven to be slightly profitable. Any other buying of points, in my opinion, is a mistake.

In the end, it's up to you and how you personally feel about the possible outcomes. If outcomes #5-8 above really scare you and you will be very upset about losing due to a line movement, then back down your play or lay off it. If you aren't really that scared by those scenarios and can take a possible loss in stride, and you tell yourself that sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, and next time maybe a line movement will help you, then you can just let it ride.


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Half-Time Betting & The importance of line movement

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You spent the last two hours handicapping a football game that is now approaching kick-off. Your efforts tell you that the Green Bay Packers should win the contest by at least three points. At the time you started picking apart this Monday night game, stat by stat and injury by injury, your sportsbooks were offering a tasty -3 +105, BUT the line moved against you while you were checking your almanac. Your bookmaker is now asking you to give up -3.5 points at -110 for a play on the cheese heads. If you don’t have access to a bookie who is still hanging the -3, you are either forced to pass on the event or go for it, risking more than you know you should. Many of us are action junkies and would lay the extra half point, although        betting in this manner will eventually eat away at our bank roll.

Handicapping an event and forming an opinion is only part of the battle. Every profitable gambler and bookmaker knows that line shopping, and more specifically, line movement is the key to a player’s success. Following the path of changing odds offers an enormous advantage over the long haul. A NFL bettor may follow football lines all week in order to gauge the right time to strike as betting lines gradually move in and out of his favor.

We have all pushed on a play where we would have won had we put more effort into getting that half point.

For most gamblers, sitting in front of online betting screens all day is not a realistic option; although many of us will not hit the magic winning percentage of 53% without at least tracking the quick moving odds right before the game. If you are on the verge of understanding the importance of paying less and obtaining the better line, but do not plan on wagering for a living, the half time bet may be a valuable option for you.

Following Line Movement

Halftime odds offer you the ability to get a fresh line and follow it until it comes off the board. Without going into another article about line movement, watching a normal line through its lifespan is something that can take anywhere from half of the day to a week. A 2nd half bettor watching multiple books is able to get a great feel on which way the line is headed and pounce on the offering that suits his play. He may use the same techniques in a span of only 5 minutes.

Soft Lines 

A soft line is one that deviates from the consensus. Bookmakers only have a short span of time to take in action, and on occasion will stray from the pack in order to take the bets it desires. Other bookies will consistently be the last one to move their numbers which offers value when it has changed against you at most other sportsbooks.

In the course of setting full game odds, bookmakers will frequently peek at what one another are offering. Many will base their odds on what their neighbor is doing and go from there.

During halftime there is little opportunity for them to consult with others. Out of five sportsbooks at least one book’s opinion will likely drastically differ from the rest. This line will adjust quickly as people bet into it, but this initial soft line offers the occasional shot at an extra two points you may not see offered again during the intermission.

The Half-Time Line Advantage 

Hypothetically, let us say you wanted to play the over on a NBA total that was set at 190. You were able to follow the line movement and earn a valuable 3 points towards your bet. From time to time, these big line moves do happen, and they also happen to 2nd half odds. Even though you are wagering on half of the event, that doesn’t necessarily mean you will get half of the line movement. Getting 3 points from that 190 is a great find, but getting 3 points on the 2nd half over/under total of 95 provides an even better advantage. It is a larger percentage of the line you are trying to beat. Think of this advantage as a head start in a race. A 20-foot head start would be much more effective in a sprint than in a marathon.

A Level Playing Field 

I have heard gamblers say that they do not like this quick betting style because it does not offer adequate time to crunch numbers and trends. My response is that bookies have already utilized much of the information you are weighing into your normal capping.

At a game’s intermission, the player may gain the knowledge edge. Linesmen are often forced to offer odds on many mid-game events at the same time. It would be impossible for them to follow every individual game as closely as the one you are watching, and a week’s worth of inside information no longer comes into play. This line is largely based on what happened in the first 24 minutes.

Your Best Bet

The fast pace of halftime wagering is not for everyone. If you don’t enjoy getting numbers dumped on you all at once in order to get more for your buck then you may want to spend the 2nd half on the bench. If you want the ability to follow the life of a line, take advantage of more unique or soft numbers, apply your effort to a smaller contest and know as much as or more than your bookmaker, then the 2nd half may be your best bet!

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How to Bet On Sports Betting Lines

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Reading sports betting lines can be confusing at first because they look backwards. The favorite to win will have a minus sign (-), and the underdog will have a plus sign (+). Essentially what that mean is if you bet the negative money line you will win less than your bet. If you bet the positive money line you will win less than your bet. The money line and the point spread are the most common betting lines

Instructions

Sports betting lines are made by the oddsmakers (not bookmakers) by analyzing team's performances in the past as well as other variables like player injury reports, home field advantage, and even the weather which might affect the games outcome. Betting trends, statistics, and patterns is how the oddsmakers form the betting line. Nearly every aspect from the time of the game to location to distractions is used to estimate how a team will perform. Some sportsbooks have their own oddsmakers but most use a single organization called Las Vegas Sports Consultants. They set the initial odds and betting lines for nearly all sportsbooks in Nevada as well as licensed bookmakers in Europe

From the time the initial betting lines are released up until the time of the game, the lines are adjusted many times. There are two reason for this. One is that the weather and injury reports change daily. The other is that sportsbooks work on commission, called 'juice'. They would love to have the same number of bettors on both sides of the line so that the losers will actually end up paying the winners. If there are too many bettors on one side of the betting line it will shift. It greatly resembles the Stock Market in that it will have ups and downs and the odds will change without any real change in the teams stats. Ask yourself, Is the betting line shifting because of weather or an injury or, is it changing because of too many bettors on one side of the line and the sportsbook is starting to get afraid of having to use it own commissions to payout. This is when your own expertise and knowledge of that sport comes into play.

Reading sports betting lines can be confusing at first because they look backwards. The favorite to win will have a minus sign (-), and the underdog will have a plus sign (+). Essentially what that mean is if you bet the negative money line you will win more than your bet. If you bet the positive money line you will win less than your bet. The money line and the point spread are the most common betting lines

Team_____Line___Total___Money Line
Raiders___-6_____30_______-110
Colt______+6_______________+91

The number at the end column is your money line and it shows how much you would have to bet to win $100. To win $100 on the Raiders you would have to bet $110, plus the return of your wager. But, to win $100 on the Colts, you would only need to bet $91. Of course you don't have to bet $100, the money line just show the percentage of the payout.
The Point Spread is a way for the oddsmakers to even up the match between two teams. In the example above the Raiders are expected to win by six points, as you can see by the minus sign in the 'line' column. If you bet on the Raiders then they would have to win by seven points. This is 'covering the spread'. If they do not cover the point spread, which is only winning by five or less, then you lose the bet. If the game ends with a six point difference then, as far as betting is concerned, it is a draw and your bet is returned.

If you bet on the Colts, then there are three ways to win. If they manage to win at all, if they lose by fewer than six or if it's a tie game. Again, the point spread may change depending on the number of bettors on one side of the betting line. It could go up to nine, then the Raiders would have to win by more than nine and the Colts just need to finish within eight.


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How to Read a Sports Betting Line

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Many people bet casually on sports, but if you want to bet more seriously, you'll have to know how to read a line. This article will teach you


Instructions

-Look at the line. It'll look something like this, with team names and numbers changed.

BETTING LINE:
213 New York Jets         -10.5-110     -250      45.5 OV -110
214 Atlanta Falcons      +10.5-110    +310     45.5  un  -110

-Determine the favorite and underdog. The favorite will have a minus next to its first number, and the underdog a plus. In this case, the Jets (NYJ) are the favorite and the Falcons (ATL) are the underdog.

-Determine the favorite and underdog. The favorite will have a minus next to its first number, and the underdog a plus. In this case, the Jets (NYJ) are the favorite and the Falcons (ATL) are the underdog.

-Determine the spread. The spread is the first number following both teams. In this case, the spread is 10.5. The most popular type of betting is spread betting. If you bet the favorite on the spread, that team not only has to win, but has to win by at least as many points as the spread. If you bet the underdog on the spread, that team does not necessarily have to win, but come within that many points. In this case, if you bet the Jets on the spread and they won by 6, that would not be enough to cover and you would lose your bet. If you bet the Falcons on the spread and they lost by only 6, you would win, since they came close enough. The number immediately following the spread number is how much a bettor has to bet to win $100.

-Determine the money line. The money line is the last number in each of the top two rows - in this case, -250 on the Jets and +310 on the Falcons. If you bet the money line, you are betting on the team to win outright. All your team has to do is win the game to win your bet. The minus sign means you have to bet that much money to win $100. The plus sign means you can win that much money by betting $100. In this case, a $250 bet on the Jets makes a $100 profit if the Jets win, and a $100 bet on the Falcons makes a $310 profit if the Falcons win.
-Determine the over-under. It is the first number in the last row. This bet is not placed on either team, but on the score of the game. The bet is whether the combined score of both teams at the end of the game will be higher or lower than that number. You can bet high or low, and if you're right, you win your bet. In this case, the over-under is 45.5, so if you bet over and the game ends 29-17, you would win. The last number in the bottom row is how much you have to bet to win $100 on the over-under.

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The Man Behind Las Vegas Lines

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Bob Scucci learned much of what he knows about the sports betting industry at one of the most unlikely places: the family dinner table. That's because both his mother and father worked in Las Vegas sportsbooks. After the family moved

to Las Vegas from New Jersey when Bob was in high school, his father took a job at the old Rose Bowl sportsbook and his mother took a post at the Showboat sportsbook. Dinner table discussions were a lesson in Sports Betting 101. And Scucci has used that knowledge to get where he is today, managing the Race & Sportsbook at the Stardust. Because of the history behind the hotel/casino and the fact that the book sets the first Las Vegas line for football, his job is one of the most recognized and revered in the industry.

"My dad probably taught me the most, whether he knew it or not," said Scucci. "We would have conversations at the dinner table and it wouldn't even be like he was trying to teach me anything. It was just a normal discussion. And, over the course of those years, it just, by osmosis, sunk in. Some things are just second nature. You don't realize it until you are actually working in the industry that things kind of come naturally."

The Stardust sportsbook is famous for setting the opening Las Vegas line for football. At 5:30 p.m. on Sundays during the NFL season Scucci, with help from consulting services, posts the first lines and lets the professional bettors take the first crack at them. The sportsbook holds a lottery for line placement in order to avoid a free-for-all to the window. Bettors are allowed to make five wagers before they have to move back to the end of the line. During the first couple hours of action, the line on an NFL game can move as many as two points. The lottery, however, has decreased in popularity over the last several years.

"In recent years it seems like people want to think about it a little bit before they rush to the counter," Scucci commented. "So there hasn't been as many people that want to join up in the lottery. They just prefer to wait until the numbers are up and then gradually pick their spots. For the first hour and a half, the numbers are bouncing around all over. If you are talking about 1 ½ points on every game and you are taking $10,000 a whack, it doesn't take long to have a $30-$40,000 decision on each game."

Since the Stardust sportsbook is a favorite of professional bettors in Las Vegas, Scucci is used to sweating it out. While the goal of most sportsbooks is to get 50 percent of the action on both sides of a game, it doesn't always work out that way. The Stardust has taken some big losses in the years that he has been there (Scucci served as the right-hand man for former manager Joe Lupo, who took a position as vice president of operations at the Borgata in Atlantic City, for six years before taking over last October). Putting out the first line can be a liability, said Scucci, because there are no other numbers out there to compare to his lines and because the pros are usually there to attack a bad

number. When the Las Vegas sportsbook industry does well, the Stardust usually follows suit, but when the industry as a whole has a bad week, Scucci usually takes a harder hit. "Occasionally, but not often, when the industry does well we may not do as well at all because we take all the early hits that the other casinos don't take," he added. "But I feel we can draw enough off of it that it's worth the liability."

One of the most unique things about the Stardust sportsbook is its ability to draw an even mix of locals and tourists. Now that the south end of the Strip is the place to be in Las Vegas, Scucci's sportsbook is still keeping pace with the big boys in terms of handle. Tourists want to visit the Stardust because of its history and atmosphere and locals like the wide variety of parlay cards and the chance to take advantage of the opening numbers. "We probably have the highest percentage of locals of all the Strip properties," said Scucci.


Limits for NFL games are $10,000 for sides and $2,000 for totals and college football limits are $5,000 for sides and $1,000 for totals. Scucci's philosophy is not to set the lines by predicting the outcomes of games, but rather set the number according to the way he thinks the public will bet. And he always has to be concerned about the professional bettors, who are lurking around every corner at the Stardust.

"To make money in this business isn't just to give the bettors what they want, because that's not in our best interest," he said. "However, knowing which way they are going to bet is always a help. There are a lot of factors that go into making the numbers. The whole key is to not give away too much value to someone who is making a living betting on sports. We know which way the public is going to bet, predominantly. The public likes to bet favorites, they like to bet a lot of home favorites and they like to bet a lot of overs. There's a pattern that we know the public will bet on these games and a lot of times we just have to go into a game knowing that they are going to bet this way but we let them bet it because we feel like this 2 ½ (as an example) is the right number. So we let them lay the 2 ½. If they win they win and if we win then so be it. But we are not going to move it to 3 or 3 ½ just because we know the public is going to bet it because at that point the sharp guys are going to say 'at 3 ½, it's a buy.'"

The sportsbook also offers two contests in order to attract business. The public is invited to play the weekly free All-American Football Contest, in which $10,000 is awarded weekly, and the Stardust Invitational is an annual battle among 16 of the best handicappers in the nation who compete for a $10,000 prize in a head-to-head format. The weekly contest takes place live in the sportsbook and always gathers a good crowd.

According to Scucci, the Stardust is the only sportsbook in Las Vegas that gives bettors the information they need to beat the house. The sportsbook offers its patrons a handicapping library with wall-to-wall information about sports betting. In order to make betting easier for locals, Scucci has implemented Sportscall, a telephone betting system that differs from traditional phone accounts in that it is geared toward the average bettor instead of the high-limit player.

Since taking over in October, one of the most difficult aspects of his new job, said Scucci, is following in the footsteps of Lupo, who was one of the most respected and well-liked managers in the industry. This will be his first full football season without his former mentor.

"He was great to work for - he really knew his stuff," said Scucci. "When somebody is that well respected you have some big shoes to fill and you've got to rely on your own confidence in your abilities to hopefully do the job that he did. You realize that everything falls on your shoulders now. I kind of felt like the first March Madness without him it was noticeable. From years of working with him and having that symbiotic relationship where we would bounce ideas off each other, I found myself, at times, turning to ask his opinion and realizing he is not around anymore. A couple of times I have felt like giving him a call in New Jersey and asking him 'what do you think about this or that?'"

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